i forgot to add two posts below.. 4 hrs to remove panc/ 4 hrs to process islet cells. also spleen gone and appendix.. doc was adding up hrs and said.. well anyhbow plan on an allday affair.. so if Kathleen was 11 hrs.. HOPING hers was more complex.. (hour wise..) we want her well!!!! no ill will there , just comparing timing. hopefully jerrys will be less time. its supposed to give 1-2 inches more snow. everything was iced cars full of icicles and mushy mess everywhere~! LOL HEY MOMM JERRY WORE YOUR spandex leotards!! he was freezing~!! haha.. hey what ever works!